Ayaan Hirsi Ali - The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast #S4E7

22 Feb 2021
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Ayaan Hirsi Ali and I discuss, among other topics, immigration, the changing safety of women in public (particularly in areas of Europe), clashing values of western cultures and Islam, win-win propositions, and many more career-ending topics.
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This episode was recorded on Feb 2nd, 2021

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  • Buses don’t arrive on time in Rome, Italy.... you don’t need to go all the way to Sudan to find that kind of disfunction Jordan 😀😀 were so glad you’re back though and this is a great conversation

    K FK FVor 3 Stunden
  • two very brave people

    AngloAngloVor 11 Stunden
  • Interesting statistics: A Jordan Peterson podcast with 10 percent dislikes.

    Oscar AbrahamOscar AbrahamVor 12 Stunden
  • 1:10:00 - The Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations If you presupose a lack of manifestable potential you forgo the potential of its manifestation.

    Andreas Konstantin SchmidtAndreas Konstantin SchmidtVor 2 Tage
  • Im a muslim, i live in different country and continent with contrast society, cultural as well as moral value compared to europe (and middle east also). i would say that ayaan hirsi ali has many correct point and argument to consider, especially to us-the muslim society. Unfortunatelly, the contemporary muslim socitey is living in state of collective denial regarding terrorism issue, secretarian violence, as well as sexual harrasement in europe mentioned by ayaan in this podcast. most of our prominent figure, both politics and religious never evaluate the issues that exist in muslim societies, in contrary, i think ayaan hirsi ali critics is very useful for me as an muslim to get the new perspective regarding issues that happened in my society. i just cant understand why many muslim just straight out cancel and condemn her without even watch a single video or book.

    MatahariMatahariVor 2 Tage
  • I'm guessing as the interviewer he was being less harsh and accomdating with her. This is a very personal perspective. Dr Peterson loves data so it's a shame that the data is basically her point of view. Imagine if it was a feminist generalising their experience. She's free to say what she wants, but that's just her truth.

    Maryan NuurMaryan NuurVor 3 Tage
  • Immigration is a human right, how can Peterson has an issue with that? for a woman who is a refugee and an asylum seeker, for her to come and say: well the woman safety is western society is due to immigration is deeply troubling.. for her to say rape is an immigration issue? then mix that put a bit and say Islam? I hope you review this interview again and actually address your views on it Peterson.

    CorvetteTeaserCorvetteTeaserVor 4 Tage
    • Where is it written that immigration is a human right?

      P fireballP fireballVor Tag
  • Dear Mr. Peterson, 500,000 credit points were withdrawn on 2/22/2021. YOUR FRIENDY HONESTY BANK ACCOUNT.

    AbdulAziz Al-MalkiAbdulAziz Al-MalkiVor 4 Tage
  • 54:00 western society best definition

    Saksham DahiyaSaksham DahiyaVor 5 Tage
  • I agree that femcide in turkey is a major problem. What about Sarah Hegazi of Egypt?

    Mason MorrisMason MorrisVor 5 Tage
  • Hello Dr. Peterson i am from muslim background and although i am not religious i think it would be good if you bring someone who is actually knowledgeable in islam like hamza yusuf or yasir qadhi (not *mohammed hijab* he's an immature clown), Ex muslims like Ayaan usually give a very un balanced opinion on islam since they were abused by religious nuts in their family and surroundings.

    Safwann ΛttentäterSafwann ΛttentäterVor 5 Tage
  • Was Mohammed Hijab's comment deleted?

    AlifAlifVor 5 Tage
  • My oh my Jordan, someone was pretty busy deleting comments eh? ;) For context, almost half of the comments were asking Peterson to have a podcast with Mohammed Hijab, some of them with 500+ likes, now most of them are gone...

    Mr. YMr. YVor 5 Tage
  • Jordan peterson please read the book HE CAME TO SET THE CAPTIVES FREE

    charles Selvarajancharles SelvarajanVor 6 Tage
  • As a female Muslim JP listener I would like to see him bring Mehdi Hassan on the show. I didn't know about Miss Ayaan before this. I've looked her up and she's a critic of Muslim owing to her negative experiences. But that doesn't reflect every Muslim woman's experience in a Muslim country. The west commonly likes to paint the picture of the oppressed Muslim woman that needs saving, I see it as s white saviour complex, all the things she speaks out against in Islam like forced marriage, genital mutilation, forced conversions are not cardinal pillars of Islam but prohibited contrary to popular western belief. They're simply a social product of gender based opression in unfortunate underdeveloped areas.

    Tabo BeeranTabo BeeranVor 7 Tage
    • @That guy no problem brother....and no one expects you to defend Muslim countries, because you can't. But don't be to harsh with me, as instructed by the Qur'an, for I'm not a believer Quran (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness with it.

      P fireballP fireballVor Tag
    • @P fireball when I said generally I take that back. You will not get killed for the sole fact of leaving Islam. But I will not engage in this conversation with you. You can either respond to the verse I provided which is Quran 60:8 or the conversation can just end here. You want to quote as many verses as you like but when I quote one you don’t want to respond to it. Choose what you want to do cause I’m done waisting time with you

      That guyThat guyVor Tag
    • @That guy you can find Christian countries where women are not treated fairly...but you can't find one Muslim country where women are...with Bosnia Herzegovina as a sole exception. No discussion with a person who says that death is "generally" not a punishment to renouncing Islam but still cannot see that certain verses in the Qur'an are not problematic and incompatible with western values. You'll defend every verse with a twist of hand despite the mounting evidence. Here's another terrible one....all for the purpose of establishing peace of course... Qur'an 9:29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

      P fireballP fireballVor Tag
    • @P fireball so you refuse to respond to the verse yet once again bring another verse for me to respond to. In surah 9:30 who is doing said things? Allah is and it’s in no way shape or form a commandment for Muslims to go out and do what the verse states. Again I ask you to respond to 60:8. Also It’s not my job nor is it my goal to defend Muslim countries and how they treat women. I can bring examples in Christian countries and secular countries were women are treated even worse than in Muslim countries but it proves nothing. What I am interested in is defending women in Islam according to the Quran and authentic Hadith. Now if you want to engage in this convo we can but you first must respond to 60:8 as I already responded to Multiple verses you have raised already

      That guyThat guyVor Tag
    • @That guy nor do I expect you to admit that women in predominantly Muslim countries have equal rights.... Qur'an 9:30 And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

      P fireballP fireballVor Tag
  • I respect Professor Peterson but why will someone like him relate one individual story to generalise for the whole 1.5 billion Muslims...

    Syed .ShahSyed .ShahVor 8 Tage
    • 1.9 actually in 2021

      Med AYT18Med AYT18Vor 7 Tage
  • "Muslims terrorists" and then she says 19 men...btw these 19 men were from Saudi Arabia which is US closest allie...

    Syed .ShahSyed .ShahVor 8 Tage
    • She does say that integration issues do not apply the the majority of Muslims. So no, she doesn't generalize...who cares that the 19 men were from Saudi Arabia. What difference does it make. It's a talk about Islam and it's incompatibilities with western values....that was a stupid comment.

      P fireballP fireballVor 8 Tage
  • Self hate is not justified!

    Bas KlootwijkBas KlootwijkVor 8 Tage
  • She lies through her teeth...a disgrace

    Usama NaveedUsama NaveedVor 8 Tage
  • Misses Harsi you have a good point about telling selective history but the European history only accessible with data and it's easy to study. So its failing of historian s

    Abel DagmAbel DagmVor 9 Tage
  • Why doesn't Professor Peterson actually invites a Muslim intellectual or at least someone who is actually specialized in Islam?

    Moroccan Deep WebMoroccan Deep WebVor 9 Tage
    • Why? You don't need a Muslim scholar to speak about integration issues. To understand if the Qur'an might be incompatible with western values requires a person who can read.

      P fireballP fireballVor 8 Tage
  • *Samuel Paty* too. Essentially cultural misogynism is being imported along with immigration & religion. Of course it is. Some cultures completely ignore women, please, this isn't even a question. Women are dehumanized & FGM has always been a fringe topic. There is no male equivalent of FGM, eunuchs were done away with. It's linked with slavery. The woke would say assimilation is racist and supremacism. So basically everybody has to join a class-race-culture-political gang. It's not employment that is an issue, it's the intolerance of the religious fanatics that see people as "others" ironically seeing people as infidels is the same as OTHERING. People are going to "western society/culture" who HATE western society/culture. If "The Western countries" closed borders and retracted from the world the world would complain. I'm here because I've got a Muslim instructor teaching CRT. I feel pretty safe in saying most of the students are clueless of the larger picture of decades of activism, centuries of religious wars, cultural confluence and conflicts.

    Emma LouieEmma LouieVor 9 Tage
  • The World should be listening

    Bob NordstromBob NordstromVor 10 Tage
  • Please read till the end of my comment before you reply. Hi Jordan, It is sad to see you debating in a way that poorly thought and researched. This way that radical left does or ideologues do. Although I'm an ex-Muslim, which I acknowledge the issues in Islam and therefore I left it, I see here a clear attempt to say certain things or support certain believes that you have already in your head, instead of having a real debate where two people leave their presuppositions for a while and dig into the literature and the history/present to figure out the truth. This manifested itself when you asked the question if she means that there are Christian/Judaism values which better than the rest. This is the same way that your opponents ask while they already have a point to make, so they making it to look like a question, but it is a statement. We can see also when you asked Ayan "Do you know much about the immigration situation in Canada", she replied that it is bad and made the case that it is happening like Europe but then when you mentioned that you don't see it clearly, she said: "because you select" to make another case. Ironically, if you select well educated people from the middle east, then this means that we have people who educated themselves well, and this contradict with the presupposition that our values produced bad people who can't function in the west and they need to be taught to them and made them adapt! Yes it might be true that we have so much issues, but it is not true at all that we don't have values that we in the middle east produced. Speaking about the values, I'm really hoping to get an answer from you on this: If all the Abrahamic religions, stories from Mesopotamia, Egyptians..etc came from the middle east, and if you are making the case over and over that those stories have spectacular values and meanings, then how those religions, values had to be called western? Is it fair? Where do Jews now living? Isn't in the middle east? Where they were living in the past? in Stockholm or in the middle east? All the stories and the values contained with them are produced in the middle east, so how come and all the sudden they became western? Why? And for what purpose? If we are going to speak about "the west and the rest" argument, or the west and east, then you have to grant the middle east it’s fair truth by saying that all the stories that generated your speech were from the middle east, and religions such as Judaism that was the mother of Christianity came from the middle east and from stories that there produced and thought and written. Middle east produced many civilizations, that till now effective, and stories that ancient Iraqis produced with very interesting content, so please tell me, how is it that their values are western values? unless you speaking about the modern values and not about the foundation of them that you say they are residing in those stories/religions. Islam came to the area for a less than 1500 years, but before that the same area produced many civilizations and participated to the world. Nowadays, you look at us in a way that we have no values, no manners, we treat women bad (although our tribes names were women names, and our gods before Islam were women names), and you need to teach us how to behave or how to have good values! So much to search and to know, even about Islam, how the Quran has been written and gathered as a book, how people there thinking nowadays. We have writers, philosophers, music, art...etc but we see that you don't want to know about them or suddenly they are not that important, but only focus on crazy religious people which they receive support from the west if they take power, so the west can get some oil! That is in Iraq when they gave the power to Islamic parties and supported them. That is when the west sell weapons to Saudi Arabia to kill children in Yemen. I can see how good values those western politicians have, and how good western citizens with values voted to them. By the way, I'm a writer of three books, got threaten for leaving Islam and became a refugee too. The only difference between me and Ayan is that I really want to help and not to say to my own people: "you are bad, I'm good. period" which I see here in this debate: “We are good and have values, you have to adapt!” I'm also differ with her in seeing the west and will not lie to myself by making the case that it is better. I've seen western people hit their women too, beat their children and do many issues that you claim it is only related to us. Also the left treat us as we are suppressed and need to take care of us (so stupid) and right think that we are monkeys came from the jungle and would surprised if we started talking about Nietzsche! I've seen that people don't respect old people, don't have values to family...etc so much of a value crisis that indicates for me a lack of self education and awareness. She doesn't want to address that too to be fair and honest, but just couple of losers who harass women and got caught. Those who could cross the boarders will represent everybody and we need to take them as a measurement for the rest! Let's therefore ask for their ethnicity and where did they come from! More evil is to ask for ethnicity and treat people based on that. You claim that you criticize the radical left for playing on identities and ethnicity, but you seem to me now with this debate that you are agreeing with Ayan that if you arrest someone, you have to know from which ethnicity/country he is! And maybe from which religion. Therefore all preachers are child molesters from Italy or I don't know what!! How this would help making justice if you already have the criminal? To make people represented based on their ethnicity and not based on their individuality? Strange how inside each of us a Nazi guard as you say, which I agree. Yes, I can see the will to be this guard in this debate. Don’t. It’s a bad idea. We have learned our lesson from the Nazi’s/Jews, and now Arabs are the new Jews with the rising of hate and distaste and treat them all the same. Problem will never be solved with this mentality, because you will always run into other ethnicity who do the same, so why we don’t stop looking at each others in this way and start be civil and individuals when it comes to laws and criminals? Can we? Sometimes it's hard to treate groups as individuals as they act as a group, someone will say. Oh yeah, sometimes it's hard to stand for a value that we believe and fail into group identities, I agree. Sad to see a brilliant psychologist that I admire, talking about something he didn’t search very well, however he already made his mind on it! Let’s treat people based on their ethnicity, and lets record that. Then make a generalized picture of a group of people, and treat them as a group. Like this, we put restrictions on groups and pay attention to them, but not on individuals! Very interesting point of view. Ayan, Bravo for asking this type of info, what a heroic way of thinking you have. Jordan, yes only the west has values (from middle eastern stories, religions) and the rest are not. Problems will stay if we keep debating like this and trying to fix people instead of ideas in their head. Thanks, Victor

    Victor WalterVictor WalterVor 10 Tage
  • I wonder if she would explode if she sneezed?

    Jim PierceJim PierceVor 10 Tage
  • I'm dutch and when you need a guard here it mean people want to murder you how is someone that's just says thing like her worse than murdering people like Theo van gogh look at the netherlands now a shit hole were the native Dutch people are secondhand citizens domocracy is a joke here they keep out one of the largest party's. Global Civil War

    Ricardo MeertensRicardo MeertensVor 12 Tage
  • As a side note, Somalians are very intelligent and most grow up speaking more than 2 languages. If the west stopped bombing the crap out of it or causing civil wars, these people could have a very stable nation with highly educated professionals contributing to their country.

    Green HomesteadGreen HomesteadVor 12 Tage
  • Poor men from unstable backgrounds can prey on women in their own country and elsewhere. I can give you example of immigrant males from non-Muslim countries but poor and uneducated, who can also engage in abuse of women. Actually they don’t have to be immigrant. Poor White neighborhoods, poor black neighborhoods, poor Mexican neighborhoods can also produce predators. It’s socioeconomic instability and perhaps unstable households that can produce similar effects anywhere.

    Green HomesteadGreen HomesteadVor 12 Tage
  • I'm an Arab, African and Muslim who's origins are from the countryside of a poor country in Africa, grew up in the wealth of the Arabian gulf and greatly influenced by the west, modernity and globalization. Watching this discussion did nothing but make me feel shameful of the way we as Arabs, Africas and Muslims conduct ourselves. We are clinging so desperately on meaningless values that only increase suffering. I can confidently say that it's not the fault of the west or the fault of colonization that we've reached this point of deterioration on all possible levels, but it's our own fault for adhering to such values that are still bringing destruction and suffering not only to us but now the rest of the world. I do not know how can this be changed, but this discussion successfully ringed loud alarms and waved huge red flags that change is absolutely necessary. I do not know how can this be changed but I know change must start from within. Westerners can't change us, showing us compassion can't change us, speaking to us in English certainly won't change us. Change has to be from ourselves to ourselves. And I will start from myself. I think it is wrong to say that there's a clash of values here, because the values that Dr.Peterson teaches and his 12 rules of life are not alien to the Islamic teachings. He once talked about bridging the gap between Christianity and modernity and wondered whether it's possible to do the same with Islam. I think it is possible and I will take it upon myself to bridge it because I think its the only way. Thank you for this beautiful, enlightening and "too interesting" discussion, Jordan and Ayan. It has been greatly motiviating.

    Mjeeli AbadiMjeeli AbadiVor 12 Tage
  • If you want to speak about immigration have an expert to discuss the issue. Not someone speaking only about their personal experience and anecdotes.

    AmirAmirVor 13 Tage
  • Ayaan is the queen of REAL feminisme! 👑 she is strong, smart & very brave African girl💪👏

    Siren369x StarSiren369x StarVor 13 Tage
  • Thank you so much for interviewing her. Enlightening interview.

    S HS HVor 13 Tage
  • @1.08.48 Ayaan says something very important that rarely gets mentioned. The way Western people portray themselves as uniquely racist absolutely has to presume supremacy of white people to even exist. That's why the term white privilege is really telling. You're privileged if you're white, and if you're privileged then you are at the top of the hierarchy looking down on other people. That is the only way no one else can be racist to white people. They believe this to be so true that just having white skin gives advantages, and they hold this to be such a universal truth that they feel justified looking at the whole world that way and criticise people that BLM movements aren't taking place further and wider. All the virtue signalling the left do is related to this, they are saying they recognise that they're so superior that they must be sympathetic they must step back and give other people chances, and this makes them a good person. Other people can't get to those positions through meritocracy at all and as Ayaan points out here other people don't have that level of character for them to be held to the same standards as white people. People have gone so far with racism that I think it's true to say we've almost come round in a full circle. It's very surprising that very little people care about what is happening in Xinjiang or what places like China are doing to the environment, for all the supposed talk of climate change and racism, and it speaks volumes to the mindset of the left in the West, how bad the West is all that matters to them.

    Anna WickAnna WickVor 14 Tage
  • These nations, or states rather, should have the mentality, "you can come here. You behave or you will be dealt with. We don't do that here."

    Bryan PetersonBryan PetersonVor 14 Tage
  • this whoman is great ! god bless her!

    Rafael AlvarellosRafael AlvarellosVor 14 Tage
  • i wish to see JP wrecking liberals with the power of god himself again. since he had his drug thing goin on he seems to be fallen away from god or maybe he was never quite there. god bless you Jordan Peterson.

    Rafael AlvarellosRafael AlvarellosVor 15 Tage
  • 39:45 - 100% agree - and i think that part of the solution includes education... the violence and harm that they are running away from is a result of a cultural value structure that has failed and that the "western values" results in not having internal conflicts; and although the value system in various european states might be a bit wishy washy there are certain things we expect like "don't be an asshole", "mind your manners", "respect people equally", "be kind and courteous"; these are the baseline expectations that are largely unspoken in europe because we're all conforming to them and take them as subconscious social trates and from what I've seen these are pretty strong biases. So the problem is that how do you deal with someone being a dick, without being a dick yourself; and that answer is always education.

    Becky YorkBecky YorkVor 15 Tage
  • Wow, if deceit and fraud were a person, it would look like Ayaan. How is it the JP doesn't challenge her in any meaningful way?

    Intrigue MongerIntrigue MongerVor 16 Tage
    • @rifat zlatan She had to flee from Europe to US because threats from muslims. No, the problem is islam not this woman.

      SuspendthiscommunistyoutubeSuspendthiscommunistyoutubeVor 8 Tage
    • What? Can you explain it more?

      SuspendthiscommunistyoutubeSuspendthiscommunistyoutubeVor 15 Tage
  • 9:00min Sadly, while dating, I can say that 2 in 3 of the 20 dates I had gone on, have been sexually interferred with if not complete and utter child abuse. Some talk about it with as dealing with it, others, we cried.

    monkeymanmonkeymanVor 17 Tage
  • thank you for covering topics like immigration and culture clashes with westernism. this is something I explore with Russian Jewish immigrants, having parents that came from communist culture while I grew up in the democracies of Canada... so hearing this conversation, and how there are culture clashes happening with Islamic people as well is insightful.

    Julia DubinskyJulia DubinskyVor 17 Tage
  • Hope you get better

    bryan verbergbryan verbergVor 17 Tage
  • Bring muhamad hijab if you dare

    bts jkbts jkVor 18 Tage
    • Moe "Golden Shower" Hijab, you mean?

      SSVor 17 Tage
  • ayaan hirsi ali is actually stupid and a liar LOL

    AlawiAlawiVor 19 Tage
    • @S You made such a bad bet, everyone lies 🤣🤣🤣

      AlawiAlawiVor 16 Tage
    • @Alawi You know exactly what the bet was about. "Oh she lied to her sister about eating the cookies when she was 6 years old". That's the level of lie you gave me. You lost. Get over it.

      SSVor 16 Tage
    • @S let me quote you “Tell me what she lied about, then. I’d bet 100 bucks you can’t do it.” You didn’t mention Islam or anything else you said lied only. And based on what you said exactly i gave you couple of things she lied about which she admitted to. You have lost the bet. The law does not protect the dupes. 😂

      AlawiAlawiVor 16 Tage
    • ​@Alawi Nope. This wouldn't "go on forever" because you would be unable to defend your position, in the exact same way you have so far. And don't act like you don't know what you meant when you said Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a liar. You meant that she's lying about Islam. And, as I've just demonstrated, and as you've demonstrated by not being able to defend your position, she's not lying. You'd be utterly delusional to think you were somehow successful in defending your position here. Also, the bet was always about her lying about Islam, not about whether she lied about some other random thing in her personal life. Nice try.

      SSVor 16 Tage
    • @S like I said this could go on forever. I made a comment, you came here and made a bet. You lost. Then you said no it’s different and you wouldn’t admit your loss. I don’t want your money. Just don’t make bets that you can’t keep 😂 If you start something and can’t finish it, why start it in the first place? Keep your hundred bucks and go enjoy your life. At the end DEhave comments doesn’t get you anywhere.

      AlawiAlawiVor 16 Tage
  • Ayaan is an intellectual fraud. She presents no concrete data and only point of views based on anecdotal experiences. Its a shame that Jordan didn't grill her enough and interview her like he usually does.

    Zade DwaikZade DwaikVor 19 Tage
    • You sound like a muslim afraid of truth.

      SuspendthiscommunistyoutubeSuspendthiscommunistyoutubeVor 15 Tage
  • She is smart woman. I don't agree completely with her analysis, but this was a great interview. I also really like her manner of speaking; there is something about her cadence, and the way she speaks in general, that is really appealing to me.

    Eloquent ParadoxEloquent ParadoxVor 19 Tage
  • Jordan doing a great job testing his guest's theories. Asking the hard questions. Ayaan Hirsi Ali is great.

    Teacher PaulTeacher PaulVor 19 Tage
  • Not sure whats offensive about her lol

    Manny Simone CardsManny Simone CardsVor 19 Tage
    • She pisses off Islamists as well as liberals who buy into Islam being a religion of peace. That's a lot of people.

      SSVor 17 Tage
  • She is a very brave and wise woman.

    Seekthetruth3000Seekthetruth3000Vor 20 Tage
  • Immigration without assimilation is invasion. Slowly but surely western culture is being destroyed.

    BluedregsBluedregsVor 20 Tage
  • The value of a women will be best understood inside of Islam. These speaker has no academic background and has no statistics andso.. FIND A MUSLIM ACADEMIC TO SPEAK THESE TOPICS. U choose a dark path Peterson.

    Murat ALPMurat ALPVor 21 Tag
    • @Murat ALP you don't need an Islamic academic...all you need is someone that is literate.... you just need to read the Qur'an to see that there are problematic verses.

      P fireballP fireballVor 19 Tage
    • @P fireball Thank you for reinforcing my statement. Would've indeed lived in a healthier society if we could've implanted this aayah

      Murat ALPMurat ALPVor 19 Tage
    • Men are the caretakers of women, as men have been provisioned by Allah over women and tasked with supporting them financially. And righteous women are devoutly obedient and, when alone, protective of what Allah has entrusted them with.1 And if you sense ill-conduct from your women, advise them ˹first˺, ˹if they persist,˺ do not share their beds, ˹but if they still persist,˺ then discipline them ˹gently˺.2 But if they change their ways, do not be unjust to them. Surely Allah is Most High, All-Great.

      P fireballP fireballVor 19 Tage
  • Jordan I do enjoy your work on free speech and gender and as a Muslim living in the West I find you a fascinating and important figure. However, if you truly believe in free speech and if you truly want to have a conversation on Islam invite someone on your show who disagrees with you on this topic(Hamza Yusuf or Muhammad Hijab is good). You seem like the type of person who would do that and you’ve said before that you want to do that, so I’m sure you will. But don’t bring on someone who misrepresents and conflates Islam as a religion, with the misinterpretation of Islam by uneducated people, based on her personal experiences rather than a more objective lens, albeit no lens can be truly objective. But at least bring on a scholar of Islam who would have more authority to speak on Islam. She is not the most accurate speaker or critic on Islam.(Let’s hope this doesn’t get deleted because apparently some people were complaining about deleted comments although I hope that’s all internet nonsense).

    Zohaib TahirZohaib TahirVor 21 Tag
    • @lock lock I didn’t know about that. I will look into it before saying anything about Muhammad Hijab. But I think Hamza Yusuf should be fine. I just think he needs to have conversations with Muslims who will defend the Islamic faith, with sound reasoning. It’s all good for Peterson to claim ignorance but there comes a point where the ignorance starts to look purposeful. Although of course I think everyone should realise he is still recovering and so we should be willing to give time. I just really hope he goes on to discuss with moderate Muslim scholars who have an authority on the subject. I think it’d be good for everyone really.

      Zohaib TahirZohaib TahirVor 15 Tage
    • Hijab is a joke he was busted recently for harassing someone wife on twitter and making perverted comments on one of his opponent live stream.... I would not associate myself with hijab if I was Peterson

      lock locklock lockVor 15 Tage
  • At some points it physically painful to watch this, since such a horrible question was discussed. Though it's only marks out the importance of the topic. I feel frighten and enlighten by this video. My deep thanks and respect to both the dr. Peterson and his brave guest Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

    MeppoyMeppoyVor 22 Tage
  • Well I just can’t listen to him talk. That was gross and annoying I’m sorry. I’m sure he has great things to say I’ll find the transcripts😂

    YAlX SÅVÅGEYAlX SÅVÅGEVor 22 Tage
  • Please Respond to Mohammed Hijab

    Ayoub101Ayoub101Vor 22 Tage
  • I lived in France and know this question very well. A higer employment rate will not help, or very little. It's a cultural matter. There never was a problem with an european imigration in France; the muslim immigration, on the other hand, and because they are now very numerous, is a big issue. Cultural confrontation all the time, and they trying to impose their values and morals and way of life. At this point, immigration should stop.

    gi2121gi2121Vor 22 Tage
  • She is brilliant! She is saying it like it is. As a European, we are delighted to welcome people from all parts of the world and all cultures. However, it should be an expectation that our new citizens respect and abide by the our culture and values. I feel confident in this sentiment primarily based on (my own) being an immigrant to 3 other countries (one was UAE). It was self-evident that I had to play by the rules of the game in my new host society. Respect and tolerance should work in all directions.

    David QuinnDavid QuinnVor 23 Tage
  • religion poisons everything -Hitchens

    WillBillChillKillWillBillChillKillVor 23 Tage
    • Look to MOHAMMED HIJAB CHANNEL he have respond to her and he talk about liberalism and islam and feminism and islam i think it will help you to understand this topics and get a clear view of islam

      Med AYT18Med AYT18Vor 22 Tage
  • Her last point about white supremacy and the inability to acknowlegde that other races can inflict atrocity is absolutely insightful.

    SXT FITSXT FITVor 23 Tage
  • Dear Jordan Peterson, Why would you not research the Psychological side of Islam? As clinician psychologist it is impossible that you are unable to see how perfectly correct the psychological part of it is for betterment of human life. Who knows us better than our creator?! I humbly invite you to research Islam without bias and without the frame of current political picture.

    AmiraAmiraVor 24 Tage
  • Invite Muhammad Hijab to your podcast

    AdasskerAdasskerVor 24 Tage
    • You mean the guy who was asking for pervert favor from someone wife?

      lock locklock lockVor 15 Tage
  • You have one life to live and live it like it is your last day. People who come to western countries for economic reasons or to live a free secular life should embrace it. Religion should be a private choice. To be a good human being you don't need a religion. Be a kind, caring and compassionate human being and treat others the way that you wanted to be treated. That's the only antidote you need. When you live in a country which, take away your fundamental freedom to think, speak or breath, life becomes unbearable and a way of life. And then the opportunity is given to you to migrate to a secular western country. Thank the universe people, and embrace the secular freedom. You have one life to live. Why do you have to condemn the very country that gave you freedom and safety? Why is it so important to defend and give up your life to a religion and a so called God who is not there to defend you in this life. Is there any guarantee that the God you are praying is going to be there in your after life? People are so worried about after life that they forget to live for the moment. Parents should never impose their religious beliefs or cultural beliefs on children. You just have to teach them or live an exemplary life as a kind, compassionate, humble human being. Children absorb everything. They need guidance, not religious rules to follow. I am talking about every religion. If you want to pray go ahead and pray. Nothing wrong with being spiritual, if it helps you to be a kind human being. But why give up your life and your very existence to defend it. Is it worth while, trying to change and bring destruction to a whole civilization just to preserve your religion? We have a very short span of years to live on this earth. We all should live each day as it is our last. I am glad that Ayaan is brave enough to make her point. It amazes me that we even have to have a discussion about it. Take a deep breath people and smell the roses, be thankful for each day. Life is too short.

    vision20vision20Vor 24 Tage
  • She believes that terrorists were behind the attack of september 2001 ? 😂

    Med GuendouzMed GuendouzVor 24 Tage
  • I am not sure what the connection is between Islam and sexual assault? I have read a few books on Islam and it’s clear that any kind of sexual expression outside of marriage is considered to be haram (forbidden). Yes, I am aware that in the past Muslim men could have sex with slaves, but since there are no longer any slaves the point is rather moot. So, if Islam forbids sexual expression of any kind outside of marriage, how can Islam be implicated in the crimes committed by some Muslim men?

    Michael Lee.Michael Lee.Vor 24 Tage
    • Look to MOHAMMED HIJAB CHANNEL he have respond to her and he talk about liberalism and islam and feminism and islam i think it will help you to understand this topics and get a clear view of islam

      Med AYT18Med AYT18Vor 22 Tage
  • This is an amazing woman. A brave person. Thanks for having her on Dr Peterson.

    Dan BlanchardDan BlanchardVor 24 Tage
  • 2.3k muslim and lefty nutters have given thumbs down.

    David LoganDavid LoganVor 25 Tage
    • Look to MOHAMMED HIJAB CHANNEL he have respond to her and he talk about liberalism and islam and feminism and islam i think it will help you to understand this topics and get a clear view of islam

      Med AYT18Med AYT18Vor 22 Tage
  • You're only supposed to blow the bladdy daws off. - michael caine- 😂

    David LoganDavid LoganVor 25 Tage
  • She is amazing. @ about 1hr 7min she talks about looking at all of history and it's white supremacy to only hold white people to high moral standards and not others...the implication is that those other people just can't meet those standards...so that is why they aren't held to them. Ouch. Meritocracy again. That is an idea that's too hard to bear for most people.

    K IssK IssVor 25 Tage
  • My generation was not taught how to think, but remember what I was taught. Now we should make moral decisions and most of just stand still with a finger in our mouths. Reap what you sow.

    Yuwati BladeYuwati BladeVor 25 Tage
  • The West, especially in the last few centuries have committed crime of unprecedented scale owing to their expansionist mindset. One of the Countries that has suffered the most from Islamic Invasion and Western Colonisation is India. Millions of Indian lost their lives. Resources worth $45 trillion dollar were looted from the country. Their culture and religion were challenged, nay, destroyed. They kept fighting for centuries to get their land back and when they rightfully got their Country back; the resentment was over. My own country, Mauritius, was under British rule for about 150 years. We have heard and read about the atrocities of the White Man. However, when we gain independence, the resentment was over. To put it very mildly, we have forgiven completely but not forgotten; yet there is no resentment. The West should atone for all the atrocities it brought at the doorsteps of so many countries. However, that does not mean that in the guise of atonement and to whitewash your collective guilt, you should turn a blind eyes to the impending issues at your doorstep. Protect your borders, protect your Countries and protect your culture. Western Universities are becoming places of propaganda; protect your Education system. On a lighter note, as for the atonement, we have waited for many years and we do not mind waiting for some more.

    artist1402artist1402Vor 26 Tage
  • Polygamy is more culturally acceptable in African and Arab Muslim countries but it is not culturally acceptable in South Asian Muslim countries. The population of South Asian Muslim countries is far larger than all the Arab, African Muslim countries combined. So, I don't agree with the statement that polygamy is the problem, polygamy may be a problem in those specific countries or the micro communities from which those immigrants are. The point to be made is if you look at the broader picture sexual assault is not an Islam thing it's committed by men all over the world no matter where they're from. The difference is Ayaan Hirsi wouldn't be on Jordan Peterson's podcast if she wasn't speaking against her people. That being said I think she's doing a great job of holding Muslim men accountable for their actions and is very brave for speaking up.

    a_jawza_jawzVor 26 Tage
    • Look to MOHAMMED HIJAB CHANNEL he have respond to her and he talk about liberalism and islam and feminism and islam i think it will help you to understand this topics and get a clear view of islam

      Med AYT18Med AYT18Vor 22 Tage
    • Great job on generalizing Muslim men based off of anecdotal evidences...

      That guyThat guyVor 25 Tage
  • Ayaan fled Islam yet sadly Muslim fundies follow her to this day, even on youtube where every video of hers gets downvotes. They really are a tragic breed

    SpaceCakeSpaceCakeVor 26 Tage
    • first of all, she didn't flee from anything her story is complete bs she came from Kenya. secondly, if someone is lying about you and as a result you are vilified wouldn't you be angry too? sounds to me you'd rather live in your own echo chamber and listen to her BS which btw isn't even researched under her own admission.

      Shahid SaidShahid SaidVor 25 Tage
  • What a woman!

    Theunis Louis BothaTheunis Louis BothaVor 26 Tage
  • The Islamic world can be viewed as an onion-layered multiple dictatorship: the dictatorship of political dynasties like the Mubarak, Gaddafi, Hussein, Ben Ali, and Assad families forms its first layer; the dictatorship of the military, the next; after that, that the dictatorship of religion, which determines how children are raised and educated; and finally, the dictatorship of society, which impacts life within families through archaic gender roles. Hamed Abdel-Samad

    secular valuesecular valueVor 26 Tage
  • Human rights are not real. There should be civil rights, migrant rights and refugee rights. What do we know about what rights God gave us?

    Young SamzzzyYoung SamzzzyVor 26 Tage
    • god aint real bruv

      mr_bobzmr_bobzVor 7 Tage
    • @Young Samzzzy ok, i get your point....you could be right about that...

      dump mandump manVor 25 Tage
    • @dump man wasn't talking about god. I believe we're ignorant of what himan rights should be so we should stick with citizen and non-citizen rights.

      Young SamzzzyYoung SamzzzyVor 26 Tage
    • @Young Samzzzy there are no reason to believe in the existance of a god that is not a creature of human imagination

      dump mandump manVor 26 Tage
    • @Young Samzzzy well, for now we are the only one that we know capable to do it, at least untill we dont create a machine who do that for us (maybe we have already do it).... you can try to ask god again....but it will be still your ouw voice or someone else...

      dump mandump manVor 26 Tage
  • "It is very difficult to assimilate if you are not confident in your own values" Oh my god, this woman is AMAZING!!

    Alberto CostaAlberto CostaVor 26 Tage
    • @Med AYT18 yeah well maybe... I will not get into that debate because there really isn't a solution that doesn't diminish someone.

      Alberto CostaAlberto CostaVor 21 Tag
    • @Alberto Costa well it sure that the west have some good things but as you have sayed we all need God (it use also in Islam) to find out the ultimate truth so we should look to find out the True religion for that purpose

      Med AYT18Med AYT18Vor 22 Tage
    • @Med AYT18 I think that objectivity is very hard to achieve for humans. That's why we turn to God or Allah. After all, if we were truly objective, we wouldn't need an all powerful being to show us the truth. We are all biased. I understand yours and Mohammed's points. The egocentricity of the West, the arrogance, their fake liberalism and feminism makes me want to puke. But... not all is bad. The West, like many other cultures, has also brought us some good things. I'll just give you 2: Social security snd healthcare. We take care of the sick and the old. True in a very unpersonal and systematic way, but we try not to leave anyone behind. A second one is that we try to not be at each others neck. Not in a physical sense. Even if we get into heated debates, we don't go to war. Maybe that's the good that came out of the 2 wars: we know that working together, even if we disagree, is better than fighting. I guess what I'm trying to say is: we should not through out the baby with the bath water.

      Alberto CostaAlberto CostaVor 22 Tage
    • @Alberto Costa i respect your authenticity but we should try to find The truth not defending it just because we have born in a certain culture watch his lectures about liberalism and feminism and some debates his was tufs and angry but in his lectures and debates his clarify his opinion with a lot of arguments and may Allah guide us all to the truth

      Med AYT18Med AYT18Vor 22 Tage
    • @Med AYT18 I watched Mohammed's response and I found a lot insults, not many arguments. I do not pretend to know Islam, but however, I do know Europe, America and the West, very very well. Mohammed is promoting and defending Islam. I respect that. He should defend his people and he is right to do so. The point is, the west has lost the will of standing-up for itself. A westerner is incapable of defending his people in the way that Mohammed did. If you cannot defend the legacy of your ancestors, you are not a worthy individual in my opinion. That is my point. And you know what? I think that Mohammed Hijab would totally agree with that.

      Alberto CostaAlberto CostaVor 22 Tage
  • We are in the process of deconstructing and giving our Western countries away

    Justin WJustin WVor 26 Tage
  • 18:43-18:47 kids when they try to swear

    DaBaby ConvertibleDaBaby ConvertibleVor 27 Tage
  • JBP, I lost respect for you here

    TheLondoner789TheLondoner789Vor 27 Tage
  • The only problem with this episode is that it wasn’t long enough.

    Nic holasNic holasVor 27 Tage
  • does anyone know why they disliked this conversation? right or left? binary? what possible reason do you have to dislike an amazing dialogue? hurts your strawman that peterson is racist?

    Legacy4magicLegacy4magicVor 27 Tage
    • Look to MOHAMMED HIJAB CHANNEL he have respond to her and he talk about liberalism and islam and feminism and islam i think it will help you to understand this topics and get a clear view of islam

      Med AYT18Med AYT18Vor 22 Tage
    • @Jeff Kitson plus this is honestly a red herring. I was responding to your first point about why people dislike her and this video and all of the reasons I posted are the main and most common contentions people have with her which you glossed over. I want you to address the fact that she uses hasty generalization against the Muslims, provided anecdotal evidences and is a serial liar who has lied on multiple occasions to benefit herself.

      That guyThat guyVor 25 Tage
    • @Jeff Kitson Yupik said a lot but you didn’t back your claims. Why do you think those guys are intellectual lightweights compared to Ali. They both, ESPECIALLY Adnan are much more qualified to talk about Islam than Ali so I don’t know what your talking about

      That guyThat guyVor 25 Tage
    • @Jeff Kitson someone I would recommend this obviously Mohammed Hijab because he’s been on this thing since it first started and he kind of introduced his audience to Ali and the likes of her through his refutations. But people don’t like Hijab for his antics sometimes so someone else o would recommend is Adnan Rashid. He’s a historian and a well known Muslim debater. He actually has the credentials and qualifications to talk to a person like Jordan and I see no reason why he wouldn’t talk to him

      That guyThat guyVor 25 Tage
    • @Jeff Kitson I personally didn’t dislike this video but I assume people did due to the the hasty generalization against Muslims and the anecdotal evidences used rather than facts and statistics. No one hates Ali for the sole fake that she left Islam, it’s the fact that she is a known liar and continues to lie against Islam yet fails to substantiate her claims with facts and fails to engage in conversation or debate with knowledgeable Muslims.

      That guyThat guyVor 25 Tage
  • She made literally everything up lmao

    Nick EvansNick EvansVor 28 Tage
    • Look to MOHAMMED HIJAB CHANNEL he have respond to her and he talk about liberalism and islam and feminism and islam i think it will help you to understand this topics and get a clear view of islam

      Med AYT18Med AYT18Vor 22 Tage
  • As a Dutch guy, I remember her rise to political fame out of nowhere. I was too young and too uneducated to realize what was going on, but in hindsight, I think Ayaan was pretty spot on from the beginning about the threats coming from religious extremism and how the leftist view of all 'cultures are equal' is a pretty dangerous assumption. Now, some 10-15 years later, we're seeing the fruits of not acting accordingly back then manifest in western society...and it's not good. We're destroying ourselves from within, distracted by bickering over race, gender, identity while more nefarious ideologies and religious are slowly taking over. For what it's worth: " Het spijt me dat we destijds niet naar je waarschuwingen hebben geluisterd, Ayaan."

    Rey NemaattoriRey NemaattoriVor 28 Tage
  • Superlative discussion. Hats off to Gordon and Ayan.

    Gopal RamanathanGopal RamanathanVor 28 Tage
    • Look to MOHAMMED HIJAB CHANNEL he have respond to her and he talk about liberalism and islam and feminism and islam i think it will help you to understand this topics and get a clear view of islam

      Med AYT18Med AYT18Vor 22 Tage
  • A bit disappointed with this interview. It seem Ayaan was rocked back on her heels a lot, like perhaps she wasn’t prepped by the Peterson team beforehand? I would have liked to hear Jordan’s take on the idea that consistently labeling non-Westerners as victims is it’s own form of supremacy.

    Farmschool ChicksFarmschool ChicksVor 28 Tage
  • If you cannot talk justice there is no justice...

    Geert KokGeert KokVor 28 Tage
  • Holland misses Ayaan. Happy to view these two great hero's ... Stay blessed!

    Geert KokGeert KokVor 28 Tage
    • @Zeyna Nd Zeyna loves replying unrelated 'topics' to a comment :)

      Bas KlootwijkBas KlootwijkVor 8 Tage
    • Loved 1.05 with JBP reverbalization at 1:9 what do you think? humans are quite ironic in every perspective. its almost like a sequential thing

      Zeyna NdZeyna NdVor 15 Tage
  • Peace be upon you jordon i saw a few of your videos really liked them just a brotherly advice for you pls read the quran with english translations before listening to these people read the book and will see the real side of islam i am originally from Afghanistan i have seen people and lived with them everything she says is the complete opposite of what muslims r and read the book just for knowledge and quran says everything about now days people as well so please read it saying this because i really like u and most u of videos says what it says in quran

    Ismat SadatIsmat SadatVor 28 Tage
  • Why would you invite her? Invite someone who is not a Fraud and have some knowledge on this field.

    Hassan SazidHassan SazidVor 28 Tage
  • Urhobo from Nigeria say, “When the roots of a tree begin to decay, it spreads death to the branches”

    Cornelius MwanzaCornelius MwanzaVor 28 Tage
    • Meaning? In context of this dialogue i mean.

      David LoganDavid LoganVor 25 Tage
  • The penitent tip additionly yawn because atm unequivocally remain next a ethereal star. wacky, private daniel

    John FranklinJohn FranklinVor 29 Tage
  • Hello Dr. Peterson, I thoroughly enjoy your lectures and podcasts. After listening to this podcast, I stumbled upon a Muslim man who is very passionate about his religion and values. He took his shot at rebutting this podcast, as well as he has with others in the past. The man’s name and channel is Mohammed Hijab and I think you and him would have a fascinating conversation, and I think the your audience would also enjoy it. From the sounds of it, there is a lot you disagree about, so if you are not ready for that type of discussion yet, that is totally warranted. Anyways, thank you for all you do, I’m glad you are back to challenge much of our toxic culture and in better spirits.

    Sasha WallisSasha WallisVor 29 Tage
  • She’s an emotionally abused, traumatized and resentful person, I don’t understand how she’s given all this attention! She doesn’t deserve it! Her resentfulness in her speaking and writing doesn’t make what she says true and we shouldn’t give it any validity! Be careful who you get the information from Mr. Peterson.

    Eiman Al ZaabiEiman Al ZaabiVor 29 Tage
  • Two of my favorite people

    J WDEJ WDEVor 29 Tage
  • Dear Dr.Peterson , I've benefited a lot from your work and I thank you for that , but I hope to see you be consistent with the values that you believe in you should at least be fair to the Muslim community by inviting a real academic whose grounded with knowledge in Islamic Sciences to discuss matters as intelectual as you have always been..as a Muslim who found my greatest and liberation in my Islam like most of Muslims if you care to reach out to some of us, Im saddened by this biased , unsupported by academic grounding...Listen to truth from all fronts dear Dr..may God guide you before its too late

    Wan Fatin Suryanie WAWan Fatin Suryanie WAVor 29 Tage
    • I think he's afraid

      Sohaib BabekerSohaib BabekerVor 29 Tage
  • I just dont like this much... when she talked about Islam, she speaked just spontainus judjments knowing that Jordan do not know as much about Islam it self. I think its time for Joradn peterson to at least read about Islam and not hear about it from some people who clmae to know it all when they only know how they feel about their own experince of Islam. I mean Jordan him self faced a lot of hatered despite his pure intentions, what makes that not simmiler to what is going on with Islam or prophet Muhammad. She needs to feel lucky as such a great man called her a friend!

    heba alhawsauiheba alhawsauiVor 29 Tage
  • Islam rule the world now ,all women should where hijabs

    g boyg boyVor 29 Tage
  • Increadible interview

    StephanieStephanieVor 29 Tage
  • I love having you back, sir! We have missed you desperately. Please continue to take care of yourself and your beautiful family. Sending love and prayers

    A. P.A. P.Vor Monat
  • Jordan.p ...,please interview aa real muslim

    Dream High AnimationDream High AnimationVor Monat
    • And your point?

      Elizette NelsonElizette NelsonVor 17 Minuten
  • Dr. Peterson... I have one potential small indicator as to why women are doing this more... you have said before women read more fiction books then men... could that be an indicator they’re more likely to believe they too can live a fictitious life?

    B HB HVor Monat
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