Why American public transit is so bad | 2020 Election

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In the middle of the 20th century, the US government made a decision that would transform American cities: It built a huge system of interstate highways, many of which went right through the downtowns of its biggest cities.
This sealed the country's fate as a car culture, and today we're seeing the results. In most cities, it's extremely difficult to get around without a car, in part due to public transit systems built to serve an outdated commute. And when our politics turn to infrastructure, the government often favors building new roads and highways instead of improving and expanding public transportation.
The result is a system that forces more Americans to drive, at the expense of those who rely on public transit. It's also the biggest contributor to our country’s carbon footprint. Fixing that over the long term will require a reimagining of American cities and towns. But there's also a way that, if we wanted to, we could improve American transit systems, and get more people riding them, in a matter of weeks.
This was the seventh in our series of 2020 election explainers, all based on viewer suggestions. Watch the others, which cover the stakes of the election on:
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For Jonathan English’s research comparing Canadian and US public transit: www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-08-31/why-is-american-mass-transit-so-bad-it-s-a-long-story
For research on suburban commutes from the Brookings Institution’s Adie Tomer, Joseph Kane, and Jennifer S. Vey: www.brookings.edu/interactives/connecting-people-and-places-exploring-new-measures-of-travel-behavior/
For more of Vox’s coverage on public transportation: www.vox.com/2015/8/10/9118199/public-transportation-subway-buses
For more historical maps on how the federal highway system transformed cities: iqc.ou.edu/2014/12/12/60yrsmidwest/
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  • I ride public transit occasionally for leisure trips, as it doesn't make sense for my commute. The system here is cheaper and just as quick as driving if going in the same direction, but it doesn't.

    freakylocz14freakylocz14Vor Stunde
  • as a Londoner, it seems shocking to me that almost everyone uses a car - in other cities, you can get anywhere on the tube or by bus

    The DomThe DomVor Stunde
  • who thought that, despite being a leading nation, US still lagging behind in their basic infrastructures compared to other nations in asia like south korea, japan, china

    azrin awang aliazrin awang aliVor 11 Stunden
  • Because everything is the opposite in America

    Exauce MayungaExauce MayungaVor 19 Stunden
  • The person who invents a human teleporter will be a trilionaire in days.

    Maximus GagnonMaximus GagnonVor 23 Stunden
  • It's Trump's fault 😂🤣

    M KM KVor 23 Stunden
  • I still remember when I realize how hard it is to take public transportation for my destination in US especially since i don't have a car and cannot afford it. I was born and raised in Japan and public transportation is the part that I miss a lot about Japan....

    america ericaamerica ericaVor Tag
  • As an American, one thing I have trouble understanding is why I should care about public transport. What does it solve? I understand why some people might want it but I don't think it is that big of an issue to worry about. I'd love to know why it's so important to many people.

    Ethan BrinkEthan BrinkVor Tag
  • After moving out of Toronto, I miss the TTC so bad. I know it wasn't perfect, and I know I complained about it a ton, but it is a FAR, FAR, FAR, cry better than Ottawa's public transit.

    seqka711seqka711Vor Tag
  • I'd like to see more funding for regional public transit in rural areas. My town has a bus system that also connects to nearby towns. It's really helpful for the elderly and disabled populations to get to grocery shopping, healthcare facilities, and government buildings. The regional bus route helps connect the regions towns economically thereby improving my region's resilience. And I live in appalachia. I can only imagine what change we'd see if there was rural public transit investments in other areas of the country. The greyhound bus system could be so much more.

    Vivian LoneyVivian LoneyVor Tag
  • I have dual citizenship. Half Dutch half American. It’s such a joy to visit my European family because I can use reliable public transport and good bicycle infrastructure. I live in Denver which for American standards is pretty good. We have frequent bus service but lack adequate rail service and suburb to suburb transport, not to mention that the buses and light rails are getting old. At least we have that and a new push for bike infrastructure. It still pales in comparison to the Dutch travel infrastructure where I never have to step in a car if I don’t want to. Just grab the bike or walk 2 blocks to the tram and off we go and am able to get to almost every city in the country in a comparable or even shorter amount of time than if we were to drive.

    Immanuel JImmanuel JVor 2 Tage
  • Your video would make a lot of sense... if you explained one thing. What is so much better about public transit anyways and why are cars worse?

    Hudson BakkeHudson BakkeVor 2 Tage
  • If only DBZ-like teleportation could be real...

    Aurélien BeauchêneAurélien BeauchêneVor 2 Tage
  • Surely this is a business opportunity. Question is, why haven't companies sprung up to offer the service people want to pay for?

  • Other western countries: Well public transport is pretty alright... Americans: Public transport? THATS SOCIALISM! WHERE IS MY FREEDOM

    matatetomatatetoVor 3 Tage
    • Meanwhile Singapore added ~200% taxes on cars (1 of it is euphoniously called the "Additional Registration Fee") & limited the car population by requiring car buyers to bid for a legal document (called the Certificate of Entitlement) whose supply is controlled. The end result is that an entry-level Mercedes-Benz S class costs close to a Citaro ;)

      Zhi Han LeeZhi Han LeeVor 2 Tage
  • We learned from Hong Kong. Smaller buses for short routes that still serve people that commute from those routes

    AlphineWolfAlphineWolfVor 3 Tage
    • HK also has many smaller roads where the buildings are just as tall as on the main roads, since the territory is pretty dense populated, what more with ~70% of it's land being mountaneous. So smaller buses (16 seats each; no standing) are also more maneuverable along those smaller roads.

      Zhi Han LeeZhi Han LeeVor Tag
  • And no one is talking about how Ford and other rich car makers bought almost all railway companies in the country just to abandon them and instead build more high ways and roads with the help of their politician amigos and force people to buy and drive cars. Look at what USA now compared to Europe. You can't even compare them. lol

    Jan RobertsJan RobertsVor 3 Tage
    • If only the car makers diversified into the rail business too

      Zhi Han LeeZhi Han LeeVor 2 Tage
  • Part of the reason why cars are so popular though is the freedom. You can drive straight to wherever you want. Im not saying we shouldn't invest in Public transport, but still

    Jack SkoskiewiczJack SkoskiewiczVor 3 Tage
  • so grateful to live in London

    Liza MazalovaLiza MazalovaVor 4 Tage
  • Koch brothers anyone?

    Lyz RuvalcabaLyz RuvalcabaVor 4 Tage
  • It's part of the CTA, you can use your transit pass to connect with an intersecting bus line. There is the Metra and the CTA subway lines and the Amtrak system among others. It is not impossible or all that difficult to range around Chicago it is Illinois residents that are unwilling to utilize near by systems. If you use what systems are available they will further prosper and progressively demand further expansion. This is as good as it gets for suburban based sprawl if you want to balance for mass transit and heavy road and highway networks.

    pigtailsboypigtailsboyVor 4 Tage
  • I feel like these videos are very one sided can you please show more of the other side of the argument? Love these videos though thank you

    Tom RosedaleTom RosedaleVor 4 Tage
  • my city is in the thumbnail I’m so proud!

    Byzo!Byzo!Vor 4 Tage
  • America only serves the upper and upper middle class. The rest of us are battered citizens

    Louisa ChalarkaLouisa ChalarkaVor 5 Tage
  • Hey that’s what I noticed @ the start of any job

    Louisa ChalarkaLouisa ChalarkaVor 5 Tage
  • All's dandy until transit workers go on strike.

    Joe AmericanJoe AmericanVor 5 Tage
  • Is this video a joke? You intentionally left out US cities that have good public transit NYC, San Francisco Bay Area and focus only on smaller cities where public transit just doesn’t seem sustainable. Also public transit in Toronto is not great either.

    Eric WangEric WangVor 5 Tage
    • But that's a tiny part of the overall problem. I live in Seattle and the public transport is a joke here. Going from one city to another requires either a car or a long bus drive

      Nate AnimatesNate AnimatesVor 3 Tage
  • Yall need to visit Korea and try the subway/bus/train system here. You can get to anywhere in the city with subway/bus system with a single transportation card and only costs 1~1.5dollars and you get discounts if you transfer.

    Jonathan ParkJonathan ParkVor 5 Tage
  • I can make a cross-country travel with ease using public transport in China. The railway system is really world-class, in terms of size.

    Dennis WuDennis WuVor 5 Tage
  • Just drive

    RawboneRawboneVor 5 Tage
  • Maybe Americans just love the freedom of driving. You get to go anywhere you want any time you want.

    whitefangvwhitefangvVor 5 Tage
    • You'll have more freedom if more people took public transport, as less cars on the road mean less traffic. Not to mention, public transport boosts the economy since more people are able to work in cities.

      Nate AnimatesNate AnimatesVor 3 Tage
  • quebec city is exatly like the first cities you described, they even built un-crossable highways preventing pedestrians and cyclists from going anywhere. all public transits are well over 1 hour travel + 1 hour wait to reach your destination, we are litterally taken hostage. want to go shopping, what takes 15 min using a car, takes the entire day using public transport.

    Little BastardLittle BastardVor 5 Tage
  • Half of detroit just disappear s in the before and after

    Ethan PinellaEthan PinellaVor 5 Tage
  • *me laughing in New Yorkian

    Harrison MuntnerHarrison MuntnerVor 5 Tage
  • america is the land of wasted potential

    puytqiggsgfpuytqiggsgfVor 5 Tage
  • Anyone tried this on cities skyline?

    wh3resmycarwh3resmycarVor 5 Tage
  • As a German who lives in one of the biggest cities. It is baffeling to see how little space there is for pedestrians and how bad US public transport really is. I mean I can be faster in paris by train than any other option(messuaring door to door communte)

    Auno94Auno94Vor 5 Tage
  • ride a bike jesus, it's the fastest, cheapest, healthiest, most environmentally-friendly and enjoyable way to get around.

    Nikola SirovicaNikola SirovicaVor 6 Tage
    • @Stephen Robertson Yeah, it's all relative. Literally every single city I've lived in has people claim 'it's too dangerous to bike here'. In the United States I'd argue that you have de-facto bike lanes in the majority of US suburbs that head into the city, because most streets have sidewalks that nobody uses and just stay empty. These could easily be converted into bike lanes, and expanded to have one section for pedestrians too. Even though overall i'm more of a fan of having streets with bike lanes instead of sidewalks with bike lanes.

      Nikola SirovicaNikola SirovicaVor 4 Tage
    • I think you forgot how lazy and obese americans are lol. In all seriousness though, many major cities are way behind with bike lanes and its actually quite dangerous to bike to work. I know several ppl who have been hit. Thankfully only minor injuries, but we cant even support bicycles right unfortunately.

      Stephen RobertsonStephen RobertsonVor 4 Tage
  • Electric cars in the mix? Also, cities might be slowly dissolving as real estate becomes too expensive and remote work becomes more accepted

    Peter KuzminPeter KuzminVor 6 Tage
  • Americans are lazy to use Public transport . Even in India nowadays its becoming the same case . Each and every house has a 4 wheeler

    Clem AloyClem AloyVor 6 Tage
  • Hold on. The example you showed, Charlotte vs Toronto ignores a couple of basics: The first is density, which, in this case is like 5:1, The 2nd is region: Charlotte, NC is in a historically sleepy area, far eclipsed by Toronto. The second example you chose, Chicago, is where I grew up (3100 North). I remember it as a pleasant 1/2 hour bus trip to the loop for a dime, courtesy a private company, the Chicago Motor Coach Co. As I lived near Sheridan Road, the El wasn't feasible. This was 1939-53.

    John LeachJohn LeachVor 6 Tage
  • Public transportation has two jobs. The first is to get me to where I need to go in a reasonably efficient manner so I mostly don't have to drive. The second is to keep as many cars as possible off the road (because people are riding the bus) so that driving isn't a hassle when I do drive.

    qwertyuiopqwertyuiopVor 6 Tage
  • Sigh* Toronto as a benchmark...... The bar is sure set rock bottom.....

    ssj4davidssj4davidVor 6 Tage
  • I am 32, and have been living in Toronto since I was 18 years old. I have never had a car because the Toronto public transit system is one of the best in the world. Not perfect, obviously, but still a really good system. :D

    You Know NothingYou Know NothingVor 6 Tage
  • I take Toronto’s transit everyday, it’s terrible. These cities must be really bad then

    Jake McGaugheyJake McGaugheyVor 7 Tage
  • I'm in TORONTO and we use ttc (public transport) all the time

    Cool slothCool slothVor 7 Tage
  • Toronto got a shout out? *What it doo babbbbyyyy*

    JustMoseyinAroundJustMoseyinAroundVor 7 Tage
  • The answer to those questions is very simple: the automobile and energy capitalists force you to spend more on vehicles and gasoline by creating inconvinient infrastructures such as the interstates crossing the cities downtown built in the 50s. It's exploitation in capitalism. (But I can imagine people in the US will disagree and defend the capitalists who exploit them...)

    Tor BaiTor BaiVor 7 Tage
  • 2:55 add Syracuse, NY to that list. In the late 50's early 60's a prodominently black neighborhood was razed in favor of a highway running through our city.

    Brandon MitchellBrandon MitchellVor 7 Tage
  • Because the government doesn’t care about us, next

    Terrell LittletonTerrell LittletonVor 7 Tage
  • They want u to buy a car.. that's it

    Kartikay BhardwajKartikay BhardwajVor 7 Tage
  • Sorry I was too harsh to TTC, really should forgive the rush hour shut down after watching this.

    MabelMabelVor 7 Tage
  • Build more lines that loop the city like beltways. When I was in Beijing, I could take trains that loop around the city.

    MayangoneMayangoneVor 7 Tage
    • Singapore's planning to build another rail line (Cross-Island Line) circumventing downtown (though it's semi-circular instead of a circle as it's downtown is around a bay) but a controversy is it's planned route under a nature reserve, with naturists worried about some trees having to be cut to accommodate the soil investigation rigs that're employed prior to tunneling work. The government argues it's more environmentally friendly though as that routing is shorter than one detouring around the nature reserve, so less energy needs to be consumed by the trains. Maybe the routing under the reserve could be adjusted to follow the reserve's existing hiking trails as much as possible to minimise the environmental impact.

      Zhi Han LeeZhi Han LeeVor 2 Tage
  • All ontario transport is good except London it is worse than all of the states

    space_skelotonspace_skelotonVor 7 Tage
  • Whats good for gm is good for USA lol

    davidemmygdavidemmygVor 7 Tage
  • Public Jet Skiis are an under utilized form of public transport

    Crunchy BunsCrunchy BunsVor 7 Tage
  • He only showed the transit for Toronto and not GTA. So that map is mainly downtown areas served by TTC, if you add in YRT, things don't look as nice and gridded

    Peng JHPPeng JHPVor 7 Tage
  • This is why I wish we’d abolish zoning laws, they’ve destroyed this country.

    TheZombaslayaTheZombaslayaVor 7 Tage
  • A combination of different things I think more train routes also better bus systems with more buses and more stops and more express buses would solve a lot of transit issues in like 99 percent of major cities in the us you could easily link all the suburbs with rail systems

    Nick CarrterNick CarrterVor 7 Tage
  • 4:19 This guy is the real Johnny English

    Viraj VoditelViraj VoditelVor 7 Tage
  • I was an exchange student, stayed in SC. I was surprised that I didn't find any public transportation. The only one I found was only school bus 😂

    Black FridayBlack FridayVor 8 Tage
  • Slow down with Toronto’s transit system. It still has major service issues, that frustrate people who don’t have vehicle access. Don’t be fooled by this video. Toronto is big, expensive, and hard to get around. Even on the best transit day. Toronto transit might look good on paper, but it needs more subways, and less bus routes. Ask anyone who lives here. The Kingston road 12 bus is the worst run bus route on the face of the earth.

    George Henry JrGeorge Henry JrVor 8 Tage
  • Come to Tokyo....Problem Solved :D but one problem....no young people wants cars...ouch Toyota Honda Nissan

    Ryo MurataRyo MurataVor 8 Tage
  • I don't understand why Chicago can't build a sort of "north-south" rail line beginning at O'Hare that cuts through multiple existing lines.

    Y OY OVor 8 Tage
  • Americans: Because public transport is communism, they deprive you of your freedom of driving and dictate where you from where you go

    RayRayVor 8 Tage
  • And racist city planners destroyed mostly black families neighborhoods.

    Rey NoldsRey NoldsVor 8 Tage
  • I think people in these comments don't realize that the US can't simply imitate Japan or European countries. When you don't have the requisite density, it just doesn't make sense to establish a transit system that is similar to those countries. When your average density is 1000-3000 per square mile, a light rail or subway is just a waste of money. This is why this video point to Toronto as an example. You can't build transit with density and you can't build density without transit. Thus, the most practical and the most politically feasible solution would be to promote density along existing transit lines (through rezoning, etc.). And as density increases along these transit lines, you could slowly accumulate enough political support to invest more in their expansion. Meanwhile, buses are easier to expand but must be paired with light rail or subways to become useful. In Chicago's case, there is actually a bus route that leads you from Avondale to Ellwood Park that requires you to transfer once. However, even with a very short layover, it would take an hour and 12 minutes. Compare that to driving and it is very obvious what choices people would make. So unless there is a transit network anchored by efficient light rail, simply funding buses more would not increase transit usage in any meaningful way.

    Shang LiShang LiVor 8 Tage
  • As somebody who doesn't have a car or a drivers license I am all for making cities/towns more transit orient.

    Tora BlackTora BlackVor 9 Tage
  • Every Vox video- govt sux Every Vox Video - lets make it bigger.

    David WarshawDavid WarshawVor 9 Tage
    • Not bigger. Better. If you have a government that isn't influenced by special interests from large companies then good things can actually get done.

      gijs _kgijs _kVor 8 Tage
  • In Moscow when people have to wait longer than 2 minutes for a metro train they start to complain... We literally have seconds countdown on metro stations. And live minute countdown on bus stops. There's also live GPS tracking of every bus and most buses are EVs in 2020. And you can pay for public transit directly with Apple pay or Google pay. And Russia isn't even a first world country... I love America but I'm not a fan of this car culture.

    Sasha ArugulaSasha ArugulaVor 9 Tage
  • The suburbs don’t want public transit because they think it will bring poor people into them. That’s why Georgetown in dc doesn’t have trains that run through it

    MaxMaxVor 9 Tage
  • Kanye said this already

    The Moon Vibez37The Moon Vibez37Vor 9 Tage
  • Looks like Vox haden't more reasearch on how bad USA's public transit to the System in Toronto. Despite it having more destintations than the USA it's equally bad when it comes when it comes to other forms of transit such as buses and LRT systems in and outside its area. Inconisitant schudules and delays are pretty common due to the high traffic or other circumstance may ruin your experance using it's transit system.

    LeChienNLeChienNVor 9 Tage
  • The American railway system is also very bad. Not sure why that's the case, but if the Republicans want to favor rural areas and look back to the good old days, then building a cheap and reliable railway system for the whole country like Americans did back in the 1880s should get their approval?

    Cosmia's StashCosmia's StashVor 9 Tage
  • Main reason is billionaires who has stakes in businesses who stand to lose billions if not their entire businesses because of public transportation becoming the main form of transit for the population. Simplest solution to fix public transportation is getting money out of politics and actually having politicians working for the people and not corporations.

    JozhJozhVor 9 Tage
  • Someone's gotta pay for it. If only it were as everyone makes it out to be.

    hasbeendrummerhasbeendrummerVor 9 Tage
  • For someone who lives in Charlotte and that's not how our transit system works.

    CommunisThanosCommunisThanosVor 10 Tage
  • would you say the Japanese has the power to make that happen? Afterall they don't even know what a real delay is.

    Kodi MariusKodi MariusVor 10 Tage
  • I would love to take public transit to work. Instead I have an hour commute in and out of New Orleans. The difference in wages and cost of living causes people to live far from work.

    Kik RothschildKik RothschildVor 10 Tage
  • I don't ride the bus anymore because half the time I get harassed by someone.

    AdamOrnellesAdamOrnellesVor 10 Tage
  • no one: me: hey that's buenos aires (argentina) at 3:14

    Azul AndradeAzul AndradeVor 10 Tage
  • please help for pasta 1-2 dollars (Visa 5168 7574 1094 8998). I live in a hostel.

  • "America" is a big neoliberal experiment. Cannot be worked well.

    Thiago FaveroThiago FaveroVor 10 Tage
  • The only thing I'm grateful for in nyc

    Maria GonzalezMaria GonzalezVor 10 Tage
  • Here in Seattle instead of making it convenient to use a bus we made it inconvenient to use a car: expensive parking and $500 tabs.

    iohiniohinVor 10 Tage
    • Singapore has cheaper parking but higher car taxes. So the negative externality of driving is internalised by the government instead of by landlords, which probably also helps fund the country's public transport expansion. Probably road projects have meanwhile been put to the backburner, relatively speaking e.g. the North South Corridor/Expressway was announced in 2011 but parts of it's construction only commenced this year

      Zhi Han LeeZhi Han LeeVor Tag
  • I live in Toronto and I can confirm public transit is amazing

    Toasted DoritosToasted DoritosVor 10 Tage
  • 1:29 that's Argentina lol

    Leandro GomezLeandro GomezVor 10 Tage
  • I lived in Fairfax(which is basically suburb of Washington DC), worked in Tysons and used bus almost everyday. Believe me or not I’m never seen full bus. Average waiting time was 30-40 minutes. So whatever this video proposes is nonsense. Unless it’s convenient enough(like high speed trains in Tokyo) there’s no way people would prefer buses over personal cars

    Beck MalBeck MalVor 10 Tage
    • *Japan

      Beck MalBeck MalVor 10 Tage
  • Because anything public in America is "socialism"

    Paulo RitoPaulo RitoVor 10 Tage
    • @Annu Shankar That is because we choose to, not because we have to. We pay more, and so we get more. America has by FAR the best quality and most advanced hospitals in the world. Also, how do you know we pay more per capita? Many other countries have their citizens pay for their healthcare in the form of higher taxes.

      Hudson BakkeHudson BakkeVor 18 Stunden
    • @Hudson Bakke you pay more per capita for healthcare than all developed countries in the world lol. The US is a joke

      Annu ShankarAnnu ShankarVor 19 Stunden
    • love this argument

      Kei NagataKei NagataVor 20 Stunden
    • @Marcus Åkerman Some very few people do benefit from universal healthcare. But enough people suffer from it that it isn't worth our time. Canadians sometimes come over the border just to get American healthcare just because it is THAT much better. Having the quality option available for those who want it is always better than providing the lower quality option for everyone, and taking away the better option.

      Hudson BakkeHudson BakkeVor 22 Stunden
    • @Hudson Bakke doing things together as a nation betters the national pride also.

      Marcus ÅkermanMarcus ÅkermanVor Tag
  • I wish I spoke other languages so I could live in countries that actually have infrastructure

    Kevin MurphyKevin MurphyVor 11 Tage
  • Brisbane has the same issue

    Puneeth BedrePuneeth BedreVor 11 Tage
  • 1.5$$ trylion MADNES

    stara Basistastara BasistaVor 11 Tage
  • move to Toronto, got it!

    victor kimvictor kimVor 11 Tage
  • In Madrid happens the same.

    Chico PercebeChico PercebeVor 11 Tage
  • Suburbs, another american failure

    likejeppylikejeppyVor 11 Tage
  • Highways were chosen over railways to divide whites from non whites

    emanuelgoldstein1984emanuelgoldstein1984Vor 11 Tage
  • When you live in Singapore...

    Roland OwenRoland OwenVor 11 Tage
  • lol....you expect dem to do something abt this.....dem n rep is just different side of same coin....only capitalist lapdog....usa is so fckd up

    1 21 2Vor 11 Tage
  • As a local Chicago resident. I live in the suburbs but we don’t have a problem commuting because we lived 5 minutes of a drive from a train station but a convenient commute to another suburb would be nice.

    Shin KizawaShin KizawaVor 11 Tage
  • In Madrid we have great public transit, you can move by blue bus (only the city) or green bus (the whole community/state) the metro you can go anywhere by metro if you are in the city and cercanías train for the whole community/state basically it doesn't matter where you live cause in every town almost there's either a train or a bus to the city or to order parts of the suburbs, plus it's really cheap

    Diego Hernando IzquierdoDiego Hernando IzquierdoVor 11 Tage